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January 25, 2010

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Patrick S. O'Donnell

Perhaps at some point the experts at this blog might chime in with their views of this argument, which struck me at first glance as counterintuitive but I've changed my mind after reading the paper (well, I've let the argument trump my intuition). It seems an assumption here is that despite their avowed motivations or intentions, lawyers promoting "civil Gideon" can't avoid rent-seeking behavior: Yes?

In any case, I think this is a must-read paper for anyone with the slightest interest in the topic.

Brat Magusrsky

The difficult part of this is that most pro se litigants face almost impossible odds. I have experience being a pro se person in the late stages of a divorce action. The Judge hates you and trying to get law enforcement help almost requires a mandamus action to get them to serve anything (i had a Sheriff Dept Lt. tell me he was not serving any "bootleg" paperwork even though it had been filed with the Clerk's office). The usual non fatal errors in pleadings afforded consideration if it were an attorney becomes instantly fatal if you are pro se. Why ? Judges can't spread the wealth of attorney fee sanctions if you are pro se and right and they hate it. It's all about the $$$$!

John Steele

It's a tough issue that goes way beyond legal doctrine and into the realm of policy, second best solutions, and unintended consequences. I fear that if we adopted full Civil Gideon, we would eventually stop funding, and chronically underfund, that kind of taxpayer-supported lawyering -- but we don't fund it now, anyway. And are the two solutions mutually incompatible? Is there room to simplify the law and process in the areas where pro se litigants predominate?

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