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March 12, 2010

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Monroe Freedman

CYA.
QED.

Sanpete

How should the window be framed?

Alice Woolley

Sanpete,

Great question. In a case like this one, where the lawyer was department counsel - i.e., of the government - I would say that the advice cannot shield the government if the advice was negligent (did not meet the standard of the reasonably competent lawyer). When the lawyer is at arm's length from the government, a higher standard (gross negligence?) might be warranted.

The problem I have with the SCC's judgment is that it emphasizes not the quality of the advice, or the conduct of the lawyer, but whether the client would have any reason to doubt that competence. That is, it focuses on the person of the lawyer not the conduct of the lawyer. That is in keeping with general trends in the approach to ethics up here, which I find regrettable. But it also does not consider in any way what the duties of the lawyer might be, or whether the advice given in this instance met the lawyer's own obligations in tort or ethics.

Alice

Sanpete

It is strange that the court, when it has decided the government took reasonable care in following the advice, which seems right, doesn't then turn to the obvious next question, whether the advice itself, given by the government, showed reasonable care. That would seem not a matter of legal ethics but legal responsibility. One of the blog posts about this at The Court appears uncertain about whether the ruling forecloses the possibility of a separate suit against the attorney. Why would a separate suit be needed if counsel was in-house?

Monroe Freedman

Shouldn't we separate the two issues? I.e., the client can be reasonable in relying on the lawyer's advice (and therefore protected in tort), and the the lawyer held responsible in disciplinary proceedings for incompetent advice. Also, the lawyer might be held liable in tort to the injured party on the ground that the injured party was clearly within the risk of negligent advice.

Alice Woolley

Sanpete, one possibility is that the negligence of the legal advice was never pleaded. It is also perhaps one of those circumstances where a poor trial judgment set up the appeal in a certain way. The conclusion that the legal opinion was of "no consequence" was I think clearly erroneous, but that perhaps led the SCC too far in the opposite direction. In any event, I entirely agree that the issue is one of legal responsibility; although I think I would disagree that legal ethics doesn't incorporate notions of legal responsibility (to the extent you are suggesting that). A separate suit against government lawyers, who are not insured as all private practitioners are in Canada, seems unlikely to be a useful alternative. And as you say, a separate suit should not be necessary.

Monroe, I agree that they are distinct issues. However they are also related. The problem I see with making any opinion work, no matter how bad, is that the incentives it creates on everyone for the giving of bad advice are too high. I think that may be nonetheless appropriate in the criminal context, with strong presumptions of innocence and constitutional values, but in the civil context I think there should be limits on the effectiveness of bad legal advice. The question of how bad that advice would need to be is open. And of course if the legal advice left the client open to civil liability because it was negligent, then the lawyer would be liable in tort to the client (although that would not work in this case, where the lawyer was in-house). I'm not sure under Cdn. tort law if a third party affected by the bad legal advice could sue the lawyer or not. It does not fall easily into the negligent misstatement jurisprudence. Can a third party affected by bad legal advice in the US sue in tort?

John Steele

I suppose that the people who claim were are all "overlawyered" would say that we turn to lawyers for advice not because they really are experts about all things (e.g., mine safety during a strike) but because we understandably seek protection from suits and attacks.

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