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March 11, 2010

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Wick R. Chambers

Of course I wasn't there. I know only what I've read about the case, but from my seat deep in the bleachers Judge Chatigny did nothing wrong, other than using what might reasonably be described (reasonable minds can differ) as "less than ideal" language in addressing counsel for the death row inmate. As I understand it, there was reason to believe that Ross - the inmate on death row - may have been mentally ill at the time he instructed his counsel to stop defending him and to report to the court that he, the inmate, wished to be put to death. Rule 1.14, Client Under a Disability, addresses one of the most difficult situations a lawyer can be in. How is the lawyer to know if the client is of sound mind? What should she do if she is in doubt? At what point does the lawyer have a duty not to follow the client's instructions without first satisfying herself - against the client's instructions - that the client is legally capable of making the decision to be killed? For me the case was not so much about the death penalty as it was about the sanctity of human life, about the respect for human life in the same sense, although in a different context, that one would have if a lawyer, acting on behalf of her client's literal instructions, petitioned a court to order the withdrawal of treatment that could well save the client's life. I image it would have been expedient for Judge Chatingy to do nothing, to play it safe. By reputation, he is very smart, experienced and principled. One doesn't become a United States Federal District Court Judge without having an awareness of certain political realities and risks. In terms of any appellate court aspirations he may have had, the safe thing for Judge Chatingy to have done would have been to go through the motions. No one would have thought twice. "Everyone" in the court of public opinion either wanted Ross put to death or couldn't have cared less. But if the State had put a man to death who was mentally ill, the system of justice would have failed and no one would have noticed or cared. So as I imagine it - and that's all I can really do - what Judge Chatingy did was insist that "the system", including Ross' counsel, dot the "i's" and cross the "t's" when just about everyone else thought putting Ross to death without further inquiry was exactly what justice required. It must have taken a good amount of courage for Judge Chatingy to publicly - while under stress with a life and a principal at stake - do what he believed was the right thing to do - not for his career - but under law.

John Steele

Wick,

Thanks for posting. I read the transcript and concluded that Chatigny lost control of his emotions and made the threats personal (as opposed to legal). Still, I understand the gravity of the situation and that Chatigny was motivated to "do the right thing." I'm OK with the conclusions of the Second Circuit panel, especially given their opinion that some of that Chatigny said should have been left unsaid.

I don't think this incident should be a basis to reject the nomination.

W.R. Chambers

John,

A friend who was involved in the case saw my post and sent me a link to the Application For Relief From Stay (Judge Chating's stay). news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/deathpen/lantzross12605stayapp.pdf Together with your view (thank you) I have a better sense of the facts. I agree the Judge appears to have "lost it" and that he shouldn't said what he did to Ross' counsel. What I remember from the news accounts at the time and from some local chatter was how virulent the criticism of Judge Chatingy was. I didn't think it was fair. I imagined - as best I could - being in his shoes. It was, I thought, a horrible situation ... for everyone. I have no criticism of anyone, including Ross' counsel. I assumed that EVERYONE did the best they could and did what they thought was right. But somehow, for some reason it seemed as if all the emotion of the case focused on the Judge as if the only thing that mattered was what he said to Ross' counsel (I'll have your license). Yes his threat was off-the-wall. Yes the Judge appeared emotionally involved. But, he cared enough to stick his neck out. Why? Because it was his responsibility to decide whether a question about Ross' sanity should be addressed. Everyone else said no. The State said no. Ross' lawyer said no. I wonder what it's like to to be a judge in a life and death case - especially the first time around. I hope he's confirmed.

John Steele

Wick,

Thanks. I would not have wanted to be, as you say, "in the shoes" of anyone who was involved in that. Capital defense and the representation of so-called volunteers -- and the judges who have to handle those issues -- are doing the hard work that the rest of society isn't rushing to do. I should mention that my views were shaped by one of my best students, James Oleson, who taught a class session in one of seminars, and who wrote two great articles on this issue.

http://law.wlu.edu/deptimages/Law%20Review/63-1Oleson.pdf

http://cardozolawreview.com/PastIssues/29.2_oleson.pdf

Wick R. Chambers

John,

Thanks for your reply and for posting links to James' articles, which I look forward to reading. BTW, Legal Ethics Forum reminds me of the online legal ethics discussion group moderated by Steve Gillers on Counsel Connect what seems like a long, long time ago. It's wonderful that "the conversation" continues and that Legal Ethics Forum is a major reason why.

John Brown

Read your post on Chatigney’s rise to the second circuit; another act of insanity by the “man” He ALWAYS treated me like shit and was rude, condescending and had an annoying habit of threatening sanctions all the time. He seemed more conservative and once told me my suits on behalf of cops were a ridiculous thing since “aren’t they all on the same side.” Put that in the dumbshit ignorant category

CCDP

Judge Chatigney, human as he, was moved by his emotions. Maybe, if this situation occurs again, he is wiser enough to react as professional.

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