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August 09, 2011

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Mike Frisch

I have been providing this advice for a number of years.

One trend that I have noticed is a cross-checking of disclosures to the Bar with those on the law school admission application. Applicants should be careful to be consistent in this regard and should seek to amend the law school application if there is a problem.

Richard Carmody

Too bad there isn't a predictor for professionalism and civility. That's a screen that would help the profession as a whole.

Mitchell Simon

We are seeing cross-checking in NH as well. I now give a talk on this on the first day of law school orientation. Unfortunately, not many of those who "slanted" their applications are willing to amend at the outset. This failure has presented major problems for some of these folks upon graduation.

David Cameron Carr

The trend in California for last few years has been toward a much harsher admissions process including greater scrutiny and "zero tolerance" toward any alcohol related criminal conviction. Unfortunately, this has been accompanied by a unnecessarily confrontational attitude in the so-called "informal conferences" the Committee of Bar Examiners holds with applicants. Rude and abusive treatment is apparently deemed necessary by some committee members "to get the truth" from some applicant. Judicial review of admissions decisions is beyond the financial means of most applicants and the lack of meaningful oversight has encouraged this petty behavior.

Rick Underwood


When I entered Law School (Ohio State) years ago, we were fingerprinted and screened by Character and Fitness (upon admission to law school). I don't know how they do it now. In some ways it makes sense. Why spend 3 years in law school only to be dubbed ineligible. In Kentucky you run the C&F gauntlet after graduation. I have had similar experiences with "amendments" to law school applications.

As a new law student just back from Viet Nam, I did find it irritating to have a young associate at a local law firm berate me for not voting in the last Presidential election. Not only was it none of his business, but when the election was held I had been on an Advisory Team with South Vietnamese RF/PF (local troops), and had no regular source of supply, let alone absentee ballots. The election was not on my mind. In any event, both candidates sucked. This made no difference to the CF interviewer. When I was admitted on motion in Kentucky - I had been asked by the President of the KBA to be Ethics and Unauthorized Practice Chairman, so I thought it would be a good idea to join (!) - one CF member first made the point at the outset that he was "Court Appointed" (not KBA appointed - I guess that was announcement of his superior status, or a notice that he was immune from suit) and then demanded to know why I had not committed Unauthorized Practice by teaching in Kentucky.

Regarding David's observations, I find it amazing that there is "Zero tolerance" regarding alcohol related criminal convictions. The police on college campuses literally hunt students for possible duis, and they will stalk and arrest students for public intoxication if they decide to do the right thing and walk home instead of getting behind the wheel. Meanwhile, members of the bar engage in all kinds of activity with seeming impunity. It is very common to see minor alcohol offenses on law school applications - male and female applicants. I always bristle a bit when committee members make a big deal out of it.

Mitchell Simon

Based on my review of thirty years of cases for the Remorse article, the California approach seems to me to be very unusual. However, such an offense is a trigger for a look at continuing drug and alcohol problems and the entry point into the complex world of candor.

Rick Underwood


Frisch just posted an interesting complaint at Legal Profession Blog. The bar applicant did not make full disclosure of his "issues." Mike received a snotty complaint to the effect that he had no business posting complaints (although complaints in this jurisdiction are apparently public records). The same commenter attacked the bar for an untimely investigation. In other words, the attitude seems to be - I'll tell a little but not everything, and you have to investigate and nail me in a timely manner. If that's your attitude, good luck. No sympathy from me!

In my experience, Law Schools try to help their students; but there is only so much you can do. Again, I say screen 'em out early if you can, before they screw over clients, because they surely will.

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