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August 16, 2012

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Rick Underwood


The Model Rule comments make it clear that it only punishes falsehood, and the poorly written blackletter seems to incorporate the New York Times rule. The Restatement (a better formulation) also makes it clear that the New York Times rule is the standard. The 6th Circuit got the right result because there was no falsehood - just opinion. It do not understand why the opinion screws around with some kind of judge-made intermediate standard when the Kentucky Bar rule sets the bar. Yagman seems to me to be beside the point. Did it involve the Model Rule? I can't remember. If the court invents a lower standard (mental element) for punishment than is contained in the rule (notice) doesn't that offend due process.

The trial judge's opinion suggests that the Bar can punish "reckless truth" (!?). Is that like "reckless love?" It also said that only a little bit of protected speech was affected so no big deal. Continuing with the bad analogy, is that like "a little bit pregnant"? It's all like a bad country song.

Rick Underwood


OK - I'm no ConLaw expert. But I did go to the Bob Dylan and the Law Conference.

Rick Underwood

As a follow up, I was so pissed about this case that I wrote a letter to the editor criticizing the trial court opinion. Although I was the KBA Ethics Chair for 14 years, and have taught the subject for 32 years, nobody paid any attention . Now the membership has to pay (I am informed) $190,000 to the ACLU, and who knows how much to the KBA's outside counsel. $190,000 would just about pay a year's salary for two new Assistant Professors at my school - new Assistant Professors with excellent credentials and practice experience. There is something wrong here, right?

I may not be a "real lawyer" and may be a pointy-headed intellectual like Bruce Green, but come on guys! This is totally irresponsible behavior on the part of a bar association.

Rick Underwood


Also, before you get your diapers in a twist, Bruce used the term "pointy headed-intellectuals" jokingly when he was commenting on snide comments made by some (you know who you are) about those of us who attended the Bob Dylan and the Law Conference. You are all just jealous.

John Steele

The Fordham conference on Bob Dylan is online, I believe, at Westlaw and Lexis.

Btw, the lawyer's speech in this case involved the metaphor of a stacked deck:

Berry was unhappy with how the session was conducted—the Commission closed the session to the public but allowed Williams to remain—and Berry drafted a letter expressing his displeasure. The letter stated that the Commission’s procedures could cause the public to think that the “deck was stacked.”

"The inquiry was conducted entirely behind closed doors with the exception of Senator Williams who was allowed to be present throughout the preliminary inquiry. The exclusion of the pub[l]ic and the media was enough to arouse suspicion, but the exclusion of the complainant (except for a brief appearance as a witness) coupled with the inclusion of the alleged violator throughout the proceeding gave cause for some to speculate that the deck was stacked and the Senator would be exonerated. I was not, and am not, willing to go that far, . . . ."

Paul J. Burgoyne

I enjoy this post and the comments, but, to quote Cole Porter:
“At words poetic, I'm so pathetic
That I always have found it best,
Instead of getting 'em off my chest,
To let 'em rest unexpressed…”

Rick Underwood


If you keep it inside, you will explode. That's my story, an' I'm stick'n to it.

Anyway, at my age I'm goin' nowhere soon.

I have no idea why I am writing this way. Probably just mess'n with you.

Didn't we kick your ancestors ass at Saratoga?

Columbia records, here I come! (?)

Rick Underwood


There is a good post on the outcome of the Berry case at the LawReader Blog, written by retired Ky Court of Appeals Judge Stan Billingsley. The estimate of total cost to the KBA may run as high as 400K according to him. Seems like a lot of membership dues to waste trying to punish "reckless truth."

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