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February 08, 2013

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Richard W. Painter

Here is a "modest proposal":

Abolish federal subsidies for student loans and end bank loans for tuition. Require law schools to lend the money to students themselves. Then the law schools can put the loans into pools, and sell interests in the pools to banks and other investors. The government can then provide a partial guarantee and perhaps an interest rate subsidy. A private placement memorandum would be required. The securites fraud laws would apply to the material representations in the memo.

Better yet, make the law school file a registration statement for a public offering under Section 5 of the 1933 Act. Check out Section 11 of the Act for what will happen if they screw that one up. At least there will be job openings in plaintiffs' law firms.

Andrew Perlman

Provocative post, John. As you know, I sympathize in principle with a lot of what you have written: http://legalethicsforum.typepad.com/blog/2005/04/andrew_perlman__1.html

I have a few questions. First, do you think this issue arises less frequently in other educational units (undergraduate institutions, professional schools, etc.)? Second, if not (or perhaps even if so), should those units be similarly careful about what they say? Or do you think law schools have a special obligation in this regard?

John Steele

As a grad of Bucknell, I sadly have to admit it happens in undergrad institutions! (Do a google news search to see what I'm referring to.) Whether or not it happens more frequently in law schools I cannot say.

I believe that law schools have a distinct obligation because we're training the professionals who are supposed to facilitate compliance with law -- including compliance with reporting statutes, financial disclosures, etc. I worry that we've been teaching by example that once you become a lawyer, your job is to juke the stats. (I say "distinct" obligation because I assume that every school has a general obligation not to mislead.)

Andrew Perlman

I tend to agree with you, John, that law schools should be especially careful, because we should be setting a good example for the future lawyers of America. But if we are going to impose new legal obligations, I don't see why law schools should be held to a higher standard than any other type of educational institution. If misleading statements are widespread in other educational contexts (and I tend to agree with you that they are), any solutions should apply generally and not just to law schools. I fear that, although there is a lot of deserved criticism directed at law schools, law schools are taking disproportionate blame for behavior that is widespread throughout higher education.

John Steele

Andy I see your point and it carries a lot of weight. I'm no fan of increased legalism and adversarialism and regulation. I'd love to get to the point where we could all just trust the schools. It brings to mind this admonition from the Preamble: "To the extent that lawyers meet the obligations of their professional calling, the occasion for government regulation is obviated."

Milan Markovic

A law degree is not a security so misleading claims about its value and alike would not be subject to federal securities laws. This being said, I'd be curious to know whether John and others believe that the Dean's repeated references to Forbes are otherwise actionable. I don't think there is an affirmative duty for law schools to discredit positive claims made about them, but are we to view the conflation of Mr. O'Connor and Forbes as an accident?


John Steele

Milan, agreed that law degrees aren't securities. I'd hate to get even close to that point and I'm not actually calling for regulations like that to be enacted by anyone. On the other hand, I do like the idea of sending law school admittees a carefully written disclosure. I'd like that to be voluntary. (I seem to recall that Miami sent a thoughtful letter to its admittees about the economics of enrolling.)

As for the Dean's article, I don't see any private cause of action there. What I see is yet another erosion of trust in what law schools say. (As a matter of diction, is "conflation" the right word? It's not combining the sources, it's more "passing off." And I certainly don't think it's an accident that the views of Shawn O'Connor were passed off as "Forbes' advice.")

Doug Richmond

Dean Katz is admitted to the Colorado bar. Why not report him to the bar for violating Rule 8.4(c)?

Mike Hike

I am so shocked that a lawyer would not be honest. Next thing you know, used car salesman may not be 100% truthful.

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